Saturday, July 21, 2007

Foreign and Domestic?

As much as I'm getting used to the name Monosyllabic Fish for this blog, that was only supposed to be a temporary name.

How about "Foreign and Domestic"? That sounds more grown up, right? It also links strongly to Sibel's case.

Damien and others had some other suggestions in the comments here

What say you?


Uncle $cam said...

I like it, "Foreign and Domestic" is what I have been saying this war is about for five years...

damien said...

This is from the Tom Flocco collection -- "Plame's team discovered and interdicted an attempt to plant WMD by Mossad agents, masking themselves as Israeli military officers working unofficially in Baghdad with the United States Military Central Command and known as the J2X Joint Intelligence Liaison." I can't assess it, but I mention it in passing. Part of the Peter Lance stuff about Fitzgerald.

Don said...

If either of us were American, I might be tempted to suggest you expand your title idea to a fuller quote:

"...Against all enemies, foreign and domestic..."

with or without ellipsis.

Just a thought...

lukery said...

thnx D.

Don - thanks - i thought of that too... i thought that might be too long. i thought that F&D would communicate what i was trying to communicate, but maybe not.

how 'bout "Against all enemies" or 'foreign and domestic enemies'

perhaps "Against all enemies" would suffice?

Miguel said...

How about (instead of "Crooks and Liars"), "Spies and Crooks" :-)

Yankee Doodle said...

We have enemies foreign in front of us, and we have enemies domestic in back of us.

How's about:

"Both Ends Against the Middle"

Anonymous said...

AAE is gud.

Don said...

"Against all enemies" seems a little vague. Enemies of what? The correlation to the oath is sort of still there, but not quite.

Hmm... "Self-Evident Truths"? "Establishing Justice"? "A Long Train of Abuses"?

Anonymous said...

au contraire..AAE assumes a literate readership that will recognize the unstated "foreign and domestic" aspect. They will appreciate it relates to assaults on the US Constitution and that "enemies" have been defined by the Bush admin as anyone who disagrees with them. Thus Sibel and blog writers exposing the Bush crime syndicate are seen as "enemies". I think it's a nicely understated, telling blog title. It also has a pleasing revolutionary ring to it. "Against All Enemies" is gud.

damo said...

Polysyllabic Fish is also good.

lukery said...

Damo - that's funny!

Miguel - hmmm - not quite. Myabe 'spooks & buyers'?

Yankee - nah.

Don - "Against all enemies" - do you really think that reference/link to 'foreign & domestic' is too obscure? hmmm. I think that 'against all enemies' is less obscure (now that i think about it) than 'foreign and domestic' - mind you, there's no intrinsic reason why the place can't be called 'against all enemies, foreign and domestic' - it seems a bit long but... so what?

anon - i really wasn't aiming for anything 'revolutionary' as you describe it - i was really just trying to point to the domestic enemies as described by sibel... (i'm in the process of putting together a video piece of her describing her oath and 'domestic enemies)

I guess the question is 'if someone hears the phrase 'against all enemies' do they automatically recognize (in their minds) the 'foreign and domestic' bit?'

you guys seem to think that the answer is 'no.'

Simon said...

Hi Luke - its nice to see you're settling into your new home.

Just playing with words here but how about something like "De Turkish Light"??

lukery said...

Hi Simon - thnx for the suggestion - i don't really like it.

Yankee Doodle said...

I guess the question is 'if someone hears the phrase 'against all enemies' do they automatically recognize (in their minds) the 'foreign and domestic' bit?'

you guys seem to think that the answer is 'no.'

Actually, I think yes. I used that expression as the title of a post for exactly that reason.

BuckDevlin said...

Good idea, but 'Against All Enemies' was the title of former counterterrorism advisor Richard Clarke's 2004 if originality is a considering factor, I would suggest going with something else.

What about the Latin phrase 'Scandalum Magnatum'?

Literally translated, it means 'scandal of magnates', but it was once used in old British law as a term for defaming persons of power and influence.

Wikipedia has a short recap:

"At one time, the honour of peers was especially protected by the law; while defamation of a commoner was known as libel or slander, the defamation of a peer (or of a Great Officer of State) was called scandalum magnatum. The Statute of Westminster of 1275 provided that "from henceforth none be so hardy to tell or publish any false News or Tales, whereby discord, or occasion of discord or slander may grow between the King and his People, or the Great Men of the Realm." Scandalum magnatum was punishable under the aforesaid statute as well as under further laws passed during the reign of Richard II. Scandalum magnatum was both a tort and a criminal offence. In civil trials, peers could recover damages from those committing scandalum magnatum without even having to prove that the words caused harm to them or their reputation, as commoners would have had to do in normal defamation cases. In criminal cases, meanwhile, punishment was often arbitrary. In 1771, for instance, during one of the last ever scandalum magnatum cases, the publisher of the Morning Chronicle was fined £100—over £10,000 in modern terms—and sentenced to imprisonment for one month.

The prohibition on scandalum magnatum was first enforced by the Privy Council. During the reign of James I, the Star Chamber, a court formerly reserved for trial of serious offences such as rioting, assumed jurisdiction over scandalum magnatum, as well as libel and slander, cases. The court, which sat without a jury and in secret, was often used as a political weapon and a device of royal tyranny, leading to its abolition in 1641; its functions in respect of defamation cases passed to the common law courts. Already, however, the number of cases had begun dwindling. By the end of the eighteenth century, scandalum magnatum became obsolete. The prohibition on it was finally repealed in 1887 by the Statute Law Revision Act."

Just an idea.

Anonymous said...

...Sibel Serkeftin.

...Luke's Loitery.

lukery said...

Buck - thanks.

I had forgotten that AAE was used by Clarke, but i don't think that is necessarily a strike against it.

Scandalum Magnatum is fantastic. I think i'll put it to a vote vs AAE.

Anon - thnx.

Fred said...

Just found your place yesterday. Great reading by the way!

To me, AAE works, as does Foreign and Domestic.

On a lark:
Monocular Fische ... ?

just a thought.