Friday, July 31, 2009

Bombshell: Bin Laden worked for US till 9/11

Former FBI translator Sibel Edmonds dropped a bombshell on the Mike Malloy radio show, guest-hosted by Brad Friedman (audio, partial transcript).

In the interview, Sibel says that the US maintained 'intimate relations' with Bin Laden, and the Taliban, "all the way until that day of September 11."

These 'intimate relations' included using Bin Laden for 'operations' in Central Asia, including Xinjiang, China. These 'operations' involved using al Qaeda and the Taliban in the same manner "as we did during the Afghan and Soviet conflict," that is, fighting 'enemies' via proxies.

As Sibel has previously described, and as she reiterates in this latest interview, this process involved using Turkey (with assistance from 'actors from Pakistan, and Afghanistan and Saudi Arabia') as a proxy, which in turn used Bin Laden and the Taliban and others as a proxy terrorist army.

Control of Central Asia
The goals of the American 'statesmen' directing these activities included control of Central Asia's vast energy supplies and new markets for military products.

The Americans had a problem, though. They needed to keep their fingerprints off these operations to avoid a) popular revolt in Central Asia ( Uzbekistan, Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan and Turkmenistan), and b) serious repercussions from China and Russia. They found an ingenious solution: Use their puppet-state Turkey as a proxy, and appeal to both pan-Turkic and pan-Islam sensibilities.

Turkey, a NATO ally, has a lot more credibility in the region than the US and, with the history of the Ottoman Empire, could appeal to pan-Turkic dreams of a wider sphere of influence. The majority of the Central Asian population shares the same heritage, language and religion as the Turks.

In turn, the Turks used the Taliban and al Qaeda, appealing to their dreams of a pan-Islamic caliphate (Presumably. Or maybe the Turks/US just paid very well.)

According to Sibel:
This started more than a decade-long illegal, covert operation in Central Asia by a small group in the US intent on furthering the oil industry and the Military Industrial Complex, using Turkish operatives, Saudi partners and Pakistani allies, furthering this objective in the name of Islam.
Sibel was recently asked to write about the recent situation with the Uighurs in Xinjiang, but she declined, apart from saying that "our fingerprint is all over it."

Of course, Sibel isn't the first or only person to recognize any of this. Eric Margolis, one of the best reporters in the West on matters of Central Asia, stated that the Uighurs in the training camps in Afghanistan up to 2001:
"were being trained by Bin Laden to go and fight the communist Chinese in Xinjiang, and this was not only with the knowledge, but with the support of the CIA, because they thought they might use them if war ever broke out with China."
And also that:
"Afghanistan was not a hotbed of terrorism, these were commando groups, guerrilla groups, being trained for specific purposes in Central Asia."
In a separate interview, Margolis said:
"That illustrates Henry Kissinger's bon mot that the only thing more dangerous than being America's enemy is being an ally, because these people were paid by the CIA, they were armed by the US, these Chinese Muslims from Xinjiang, the most-Western province.

The CIA was going to use them in the event of a war with China, or just to raise hell there, and they were trained and supported out of Afghanistan, some of them with Osama Bin Laden's collaboration. The Americans were up to their ears with this."

Rogues Gallery
Last year, Sibel came up with a brilliant idea to expose some of the criminal activity that she is forbidden to speak about: she published eighteen photos, titled "Sibel Edmonds’ State Secrets Privilege Gallery," of people involved the operations that she has been trying to expose. One of those people is Anwar Yusuf Turani, the so-called 'President-in-exile' of East Turkistan (Xinjiang). This so-called 'government-in-exile' was 'established' on Capitol Hill in September, 2004, drawing a sharp rebuke from China.

Also featured in Sibel's Rogues Gallery was 'former' spook Graham Fuller, who was instrumental in the establishment of Turani's 'government-in-exile' of East Turkistan. Fuller has written extensively on Xinjiang, and his "Xinjiang Project" for Rand Corp is apparently the blueprint for Turani's government-in-exile. Sibel has openly stated her contempt for Mr. Fuller.

The Turkish establishment has a long history of mingling matters of state with terrorism, drug trafficking and other criminal activity, best exemplified by the 1996 Susurluk incident which exposed the so-called Deep State.

Sibel states that "a few main Susurluk actors also ended up in Chicago where they centered 'certain' aspects of their operations (Especially East Turkistan-Uighurs)."

One of the main Deep State actors, Mehmet Eymur, former Chief of Counter-Terrorism for Turkey's intelligence agency, the MIT, features in Sibel's Rogues Gallery. Eymur was given exile in the US. Another member of Sibel's gallery, Marc Grossman was Ambassador to Turkey at the time that the Susurluk incident exposed the Deep State. He was recalled shortly after, prior to the end of his assignment, as was Grossman's underling, Major Douglas Dickerson, who later tried to recruit Sibel into the spying ring.

The modus operandi of the Susurluk gang is the same as the activities that Sibel describes as taking place in Central Asia, the only difference is that this activity was exposed in Turkey a decade ago, whereas the organs of the state in the US, including the corporate media, have successfully suppressed this story.

Chechnya, Albania & Kosovo
Central Asia is not the only place where American foreign policy makers have shared interests with Bin Laden. Consider the war in Chechnya. As I documented here, Richard Perle and Stephen Solarz (both in Sibel's gallery) joined other leading neocon luminaries such as Elliott Abrams, Kenneth Adelman, Frank Gaffney, Michael Ledeen, James Woolsey, and Morton Abramowitz in a group called the American Committee for Peace in Chechnya (ACPC). For his part, Bin Laden donated $25 million to the cause, as well as numerous fighters, and technical expertise, establishing training camps.

US interests also converged with those of al-Qaeda in Kosovo and Albania.

Of course, it is not uncommon for circumstances to arise where 'the enemy of my enemy is my friend.' On the other hand, in a transparent democracy, we expect a full accounting of the circumstances leading up to a tragic event like 9/11. The 9/11 Commission was supposed to provide exactly that.

State Secrets
Sibel has famously been dubbed the most gagged woman in America, having the State Secrets Privilege imposed on her twice. Her 3.5 hour testimony to the 9/11 Commission has been entirely suppressed, reduced to a single footnote which refers readers to her classified testimony.

In the interview, she says that the information that was classified in her case specifically identifies that the US was using Bin Laden and the Taliban in Central Asia, including Xinjiang. In the interview, Sibel reiterates that when invoking the gag orders, the US government claims that it is protecting " 'sensitive diplomatic relations,' protecting Turkey, protecting Israel, protecting Pakistan, protecting Saudi Arabia..." This is no doubt partially true, but it is also true that they are protecting themselves too, and it is a crime in the US to use classification and secrecy to cover up crimes.

As Sibel says in the interview:
I have information about things that our government has lied to us about... those things can be proven as lies, very easily, based on the information they classified in my case, because we did carry very intimate relationship with these people, and it involves Central Asia, all the way up to September 11.


The bombshell here is obviously that certain people in the US were using Bin Laden up to September 11, 2001.

It is important to understand why: the US outsourced terror operations to al Qaeda and the Taliban for many years, promoting the Islamization of Central Asia in an attempt to personally profit off military sales as well as oil and gas concessions.

The silence by the US government on these matters is deafening. So, too, is the blowback.


David Taylor said...

lukery--just wanted to drop by and say how much I support your fearless and careful work on these issues.

Guy Fraser said...

Nice article Luke. While not mentioned in this article, there is lots of reports on the web that Bin Laden had the alias Tim Osman when working for the CIA. This possibility is backed up by a comment made by John McCain on Letterman show in October 2001, when referring to Afghanistan and the Taliban, MacCain said "I think we'll get Tim and his people."
Seems like McCain was familiar enough with Bin Laden to call him, Tim.
The link below shows this comment at 2:08.

It's the only remaining link to the show I could find.

Kingfisher said...

"While not mentioned in this article, there is lots of reports on the web that Bin Laden had the alias Tim Osman when working for the CIA."
Reports that trace back to one single story. From a source of dubious and unverifiable credibility.

"Seems like McCain was familiar enough with Bin Laden to call him, Tim."
Did he really say ‘Tim’, or did the ‘t’ sound at the end of ‘get’ bleed into ‘him’? You really are considering that as evidence?

"It's the only remaining link to the show I could find."
You suspect this is a sinister maneuver to cover-up this video, and is not remotely related to copyright issues?

It's called PROXY Warfare. The whole point is to use secondary or third parties. The US did employ some "unilaterals" in Afghanistan during the 80's like Jalaluddin Haqqani, but that's because he was a tribal figure. If UBL was handled by any intel agency it would have been by the Saudi's or Pakistani's.

Kingfisher said...

Great post Luke.

"It is important to understand why: the US outsourced terror operations to al Qaeda and the Taliban for many years, promoting the Islamization of Central Asia in an attempt to personally profit off military sales as well as oil and gas concessions."

Probably more power and influence first, and profits secondary or as a byproduct of that.

Anonymous said...

Hey luke, what happened to your dKos article? Please publish it on Docudharma. Buhdy's really cool. No "ct" ban (people are evidence-focused).

Great work as always.


Anonymous said...

Thanks for keeping up on Sibel, Luke! Good try at dkos, but not surprising they disappeared your diary. First no election fraud talk, then no 9/11 talk that doesn't mirror the "official" explanation. Then right wing talking points used against the evil Hillary and her supporters. Now, Sibel is a nutcase who makes things up. And they don't think they're biased? Cripes.

nader paul kucinich gravel said...

Future of a Nation that can not trust the Government & Propaganda Media?

How many times has the Government & Propaganda Media lied to you?
Chronic lying as career path or intellectual prostitution for paycheck?
Gravel Kucinich Paul Nader McKinney Ventura Sheehan Kaptur.
Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.
Poodles, Puppets, Sham debates, Scam elections.
9/11 liars, AIPAC liars, Federal Reserve liars.
Speak no evil, hear no evil, see no evil?
Greed & corruption or conscience?
Leaks from Whistleblowers.

Anonymous said...

Many may find this 1998 article interesting.

And such a coincidence that M. Moran now works for CFR.

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lukery said...

Thnx Kingfisher and others.

Mein Parteibuch said...

Thanks a lot for this article, Lukery I just translated it into German:

Sibel Edmonds Granate - Bin Laden hat bis 9/11 für die USA gearbeitet

Hope it's OK for you, that I translated you article and added an introduction myself and some of my own thoughts to the end.

MG said...

9/11 Truth

Anonymous said...

One former british agent disclosed that ubl's name in britain at school was harry.

ciaran g said...

Great article.

Anonymous said...

Interesting article, I'd like to see more research and references concerning bin laden being referred to as "tim". In any case it is clear to me what occured on 911. what I don't understand is why? For power=money, how many pairs of shoes can a guy wear, how many t.v.s can you watch. it has to be more than a power and money grab by a few rogue insiders. there has to be a bigger more sinister reason for all this. The real reasons for 9-11 and the war on terror are bigger than the oil and money to people, it is big, real big, paradigm shifting big...

Anonymous said...

I was told detail about 911 in 1996 by a family I was in who were directly involved as CIA Assets in Laundering money into property. They also are involved in world Distribution of Drugs.

Meet the Family:
Mexico drug plane used for US 'rendition' flights: report - Sep 4, 2008

Please note the CIA link and don't miss all the Cocaine in bags! They have been involved in this since the later 70's and were laundering for Argentina's Dirty War at that time. They were also involved in Iran/contra and paranoid about being caught. Then they drove all of us family with snooping and death threats if we were to talk to anyone about this.

There is a lot more as 911 was the kick off for everything else to happen according to the family.

Marty Didier
Northbrook, IL

Anonymous said...

US CIA Had Ahmed Shah Massoud murdered In the Panjshir Vaalley on Sept 10,2001 by US paid agents.

Mass warned the US and Europe in Augustg 2001, that the US was going to be attacked by a major terrorist plot using fully loaded aircraft

Anonymous said...

Brothers, Sisters - it is time for the overthrow of the crime gangs in control of the entire US power structure.

Cheney had Colonel Ted Westhusing killed in Baghdad by a Blackwater thug's gun to Ted's head, faked a suicide. Ted was in touch with the media, and was a week from coming back to the US to testify about massive corruption on the part of the Bush Administrtion in Iraq.

Yes - all those 'rendition planes' carry is pure cocaine from Columbia and pure heroin from Afghanistan. It's run by the Bush family crime syndicate

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Kingfisher said...

"US CIA Had Ahmed Shah Massoud murdered In the Panjshir Vaalley on Sept 10,2001 by US paid agents."

Massoud was killed in Takhar Province, not the Panjshir Valley.

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Anonymous said...

To the one who asked, "Why 9-11?"

It's the same answer as to, Why was JFK publicy executed by a conpiracy?"

THe answer is, so that the military industrial complex could take control.

Kingfisher said...
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Eric said...

Why is she dropping this bombshell now? Certainly she wasn't waiting to get on the Mike Malloy show guest hosted by Brad Friedman. Has she mentioned or hinted at this before?

Anonymous said...

Back in the day we used to say "Once in the CIA, Always in the CIA." We are not entirely convinced of the rebel whistleblower identity Mz. Edmonds has assumed.

We think it is naive to assume we stopped using Bin Laden on 9/11.

Be that as it may, the reason for 9/11 was to re-open the poppy fields in Afghanistan. Clinton had them closed. He was a cocaine guy.

Iran took over our embassy and we enlisted Iraq to fight a long bloody proxy war that was unsuccessful. Hence 10 plus years of sanctions and 2 invasions.

Anonymous said...

The CIA paid Bin Laden and his terrorists 3 billion dollars to kill soviets.
The united States loves doing business with it's own interests, installed puppet dictators and killing anybody they feel isn't dancing to the American tune.
Criminal minds think alike, but America has made war and drug kingpins a highly profitable and well organized industry.
Men like Cheney should be brought up on charges of self-interest and actually funding terrorists, where lessor business profiteers would have been standing before a jury and thrown in the slammer, men such as Dick and Bush are 100% proof that America is nothing but an untouchable criminal cabal.

Lucky for them, America is just too fucked up to deal with this obvious reality. Even your church members prefer to turn the other cheek and instead condemn the Muslims , which also is exactly what the PNAC cult wanted.

Anonymous said...

There is going to be an economic collapse in october far worse than any problems seen to date. One indication of this is that even after AIG got a $162Billion handout from American taxpayers, and paid out $200Million to top management in bonuses, including $46Million in retention bonues to 47 executives that quit anyway, the same is about to be repeated - and AIG just announced it's close to bankruptcy.

Thd Zionists bankers are laughing their heads off at all of you

A. Kidney Donor

Anonymous said...

Hunters?, buy guns and ammo while you can, and learn to use it well and safely.

Martial Law is less than 4 months away.

The government is NOT your friend

l said...

Bin Laden's still on the payroll.

Unknown said...

I am so sick of hearing her name ... If it is such a bombshell than get this out in the open already...Why must we wait.

Anonymous said...

OBL in Kararj, Iran since 21 December, 2001, at the Al Quds Division of the Revolutionary Guard. He's been there since.

DCIA knows. Rumsfeld arranged the deal with Ali Akbar Khomeini to keep OBL there. If OBL were to be captured or killed, the Americzn public would have expected the
scam known as the 'war on terror' to be shut down.

Anonymous said...

Paul William Roberts in his Globe and Mail article of Saturday, February 26, 2005 wrote the following about Hunter S. Thompson:
Hunter telephoned me on Feb. 19, the night before his death. He sounded scared. It wasn't always easy to understand what he said, particularly over the phone, he mumbled, yet when there was something he really wanted you to understand, you did. He'd been working on a story about the World Trade Center attacks and had stumbled across what he felt was hard evidence showing the towers had been brought down not by the airplanes that flew into them but by explosive charges set off in their foundations. Now he thought someone was out to stop him publishing it: "They're gonna make it look like suicide," he said. "I know how these bastards think . . ."

Anonymous said...


If your military industrial complex and complicit criminals vettec into public office issue confessionas of your guilt in crimes against humanity,drug coups and assassinations, and drop your weapons, and submit to the authority of the International War Crimes Court in The Hague, I will see what I can do to recommend leniency at time of sentencing.

Those of you who choose to bring cyanide capules to avoid the stress of trial and execution will be excused from the hearing process.

A. Witness

lukery said...

Thanks everyone - I had to use a few comments for offensive language (I also removed some posts which quoted the offensive language.)

Anonymous said...

U.S. worked with Noreiga, Sadam and other criminal types.

Of course, it worked bin Laden.

Nothing new here.

It's US policy. Can't you figure it out by now!!!!!

Pep Guardiola said...

It's Kyrgyzstan that is the fourth Central Asian country not Azerbaijan.

Bob Potter said...
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Bob Potter said...


note how even CNN's top terrorist analyst rejects this nonsense.

In contrast to the extreme Leftwing sources cited on this forum, all of my sources are relatively objective and certainly not consider partisan by any objective, rational, and independent thinking measure.


In summary, both bin laden AND al-zawahiri have stated emphatically that the CIA and the USA NEVER gave a DIME to the afghan arabs aka al-qaida. In addition, there is no evidence to suggest otherwise.

"Personally neither I nor my brothers saw evidence of American help." --bin laden, interview with robert fisk, 1993

The truth that everyone should learn is that the United States did not give one penny in aid to the [Arab] Mujahideen" -- al-zawahiri, quote from Knights Under the Prophet's Banner.

Note that hardwired automatons can always find infinite bits of minutia, circumstantial and anecdotal data to support any half-baked conspiracy theory.

but when confronted with the preponderance of facts from the main principles, they discount this out of hand if it doesn't conform to their flawed world view.

However, the kool-aid tastes so good, and it is so so very cold.

Kingfisher said...

"In summary, both bin laden AND al-zawahiri have stated emphatically that the CIA and the USA NEVER gave a DIME to the afghan arabs aka al-qaida. In addition, there is no evidence to suggest otherwise."

What don't you understand about PROXY WARFARE Bob?

lukery said...

Thanks Pep for the correction.

I feel silly for making that mistake.

lukery said...

Hi Mein - yes, that is ok with me. Thanks.

Anonymous said...

Bin Laden was CIA right up to his death, probably in early 2002. Benazir Bhutto claimed that he was killed by Sheikh Omar Saeed. Since Saeed has been in custody in Pakistan since 12 Feb 02 (for the murder of Daniel Pearl), Bin Laden was probably killed prior to that date.

Guy Fraser said...

Kingfisher, I originally thought the same thing you suggest, that the T from "get" is bleeding into the word "Him", but when you listen a few times it's clear he is pronouncing two "t"'s. Have a few more listens, and I think you'll agree he's not saying "him." Obviously there isn't going to be a lot of data in the public domain showing that Bin Laden was a CIA agent, but this slip by McCain is definitely compelling audio. It's not a big deal to me if anyone else thinks it's evidence or not, but I thought it was worth adding to the comments page.
However, I agree with you, it makes more sense that Bin Laden would be working for ISI, than CIA, but obviously there are strong connections between ISI and CIA.
There's been comments about Benizar Bhutto's comment that Bin Laden is dead in this blog. A friend of mine in intelligence told me that he is dead, and Bhutto going around telling this to the press is what got her killed.

Kingfisher said...

"However, I agree with you, it makes more sense that Bin Laden would be working for ISI, than CIA, but obviously there are strong connections between ISI and CIA."

Which you would think would fodder enough for some, but they still go around with asinine theories and assertions, like Osama went by the name Tim and that a clip from The Late Show with David Letterman is evidence of this.

"There's been comments about Benizar Bhutto's comment that Bin Laden is dead in this blog. A friend of mine in intelligence told me that he is dead, and Bhutto going around telling this to the press is what got her killed."

He may or may not be dead. Bhutto was not killed because she was going around saying Omar Saeed killed Osama. That is more speculation based around what could easily have been a brain-fart in a TV interview.

Guy Fraser said...

I was never personally convinced that Usama toured the US, under codename Tim Osman, because one fax that could easilly be forged is ridiculous. However, like I said, the interview with McCain does lend some credence to this "Tim" idea. It's not strong evidence, but it is curious, and I felt it was worth adding to the comments page. It might be nothing, or it might be something.
Regarding Bhutto's claim, my friend who is in British intelligence and has spent much time in the Middle East and Asia, says it is generally believed in British intelligence that Bin Laden is dead, and that Bhutto was indeed killed because she was saying Bin Laden was dead. Your comment "Bhutto was not killed because she was going around saying Omar Saeed killed Osama" sounds a little arrogant to me. But regardless, I'm not here to convert anyone, just sharing some opinions.

Anonymous said...

Anon the Neocon -

I think Mrs. Edmonds just parrots Russian propaganda. Nothing she states differs from Moscow's interpretation of events in the near abroad...the only difference is she refrains from drawing the MI6 into the affair.

She can drop bombshells all she wants, but she ain't no flying Bertha.

If a tree falls in the forest and there is no one to hear it...?

lukery said...

ATN, Sibel says that this particular information is specifically covered by her gag orders. In other words, she has first hand knowledge of it.

Perhaps it is true that Russian 'propaganda' and her story converges, perhaps that is because it is true.

Skeeter Sanders said...

I'm highly suspicious about this. . .Not only because it reads like something from the "9/11 Truthers," but its timing -- right in the middle of the huge flap over the anti-Obama "Birthers" -- simply stretches the credibility of this item to the breaking point, as far as I'm concerned.

Persistent, hardline conspiracy theorists, who plow ahead with their efforts to prove their theories despite all contrary evidence, aren't confined to the Far Right, as we all know. . .

John H Kennedy Denver CO said...

Nothing surprises me any more about the depth of the evil that was Bush, Cheney and their Torture loving appointee lawyers.

We Must keep up the pressure to investigate and prosecute.

We have to make an example of the Bush criminals or it will happen again and again until we lose our most cherished freedoms.

both a Commission of Inquiry
and a Special Prosecutor
For All Their Crimes


Only Prosecution Deters Their Crimes


Anonymous said...

New York Senator Kirsten Gillibrand Supports New 9/11 Investigation -

Anonymous said...


Now if you can just add to this how WE'RE being used as a proxy...the picture will start to become clear.

This + LaRouche = truth on this matter

But first as I was reading this I thought of a motive for Turkey....

Anyone remember the big news about a great opportunity a few years back that potentially was placing itself in front of turkey? It's EU admission!

Well getting Turkey (from their perspective - getting themselves and their country) into the European Union might have been the 'carrot and stick' we or the CIA or London/MI6 or whatever used to convince Turkey to engage in these activities.

Hell I wouldn't be surprised if along the way that in addition to the Kurds being used as leverage too. (promise to favor turks over kurds, and probably we did the same to get the kurds to help in Iraq) Also the Armenian thing 100 years ago. But that EU admission and the above in this paragraph are just my thoughts.

So who is using the United States as a proxy? England - English Monarchy - Rothschilds - Those who own the Federal Reserve, etc

Controlled through proxy via proxy via proxy etc

We're used as a proxy to use someone else as a proxy to use other people to fight a proxy war against Russia/China/Balkans, etc. Wow

But guess who is being set up for the fall. Good ol USA. We're getting setup to take the fall for this whole thing. In other words if a war breaks out, WE'LL be viewed as the AXIS powers...i.e. Germany and Japan during WWII. Do many people even realize this? Or will they tell us we're getting attack for 'no' reason...if it should get to that.

Who do you think is going to get the blame? The ones with the most debt? The country who owns the reserve currency? The country whose corporations sold them toxic assets? The country that stole the gold? The country that...that...the list goes on and on.

And oh yeah, our name is mud since the Iraq and Afghan wars started.

Put that all together, and the USA is the patsy being set up. The blame is all being funneled right HERE.

No wonder China is going ape about being double crossed on the gold and silver shorts (Goldman Sachs got them into it) which they plan on reneging their losses for.

No wonder they have been going around this year telling their people to stock up on gold and silver. We screwed them. Get out of currency we screw you one way, stay in it, and watch the value of your dollars evaporate.

No wonder they posed a deadline on settlement accounts which has now passed.

No wonder Geithner, Paulson, et al have been logging enough frequent flyer miles to China to earn a ticket for every one of our soldiers in Iraq/Afghan home.

We've been messing with China, and she's been fighting back with money....AND have been making noise that their about to do alot more back against us.

They have the ability in their hands to tank Goldman Sachs and tank it fast.

Couple that with LaRouche, if Larouche is right, and he was last year, this October give or take 15 days (right around the corner) the 23 trill will hit the fan, plus some other interesting stuff. (completely separate from the China-turkey-alqeada thing)

Also if China reneges, it will call into question the viability of EVERY derivative contract that is on the books. Which makes up by far the majority of money flowing around wall street. Uh Oh.

We've got door #1, and door #2. Door #1 opens to a grand canyon sized cliff, door #2 opens inside of the furnace of a iron smelter. What could door #3 be? Maybe the following???

Fed Hearings on FRIDAY (industry ignore news day) Sept 24th. It could get VERY interesting. This is door #3, added with LaRouche's idea for the revival of Alexander Hamilton's Credit system and passage of HPBA of 2007 in congress.

Anonymous said...

Oh yeah have you heard COMEX and LBE are pretty much out of physical gold yet their inventory numbers are fraudulent stating it hasn't changed at all? Demand surging, delivery surging, stockpiles gone, yet price remains almost the same...interesting.

People have been taking delivery....the CHINESE, the saudis, and numerous other sheikdoms. They want PHYSICAL delivery, not paper gold. They know what is our most likely outcome, and they are protecting themselves...or trying to.

Where did all of this gold come from that they sent there? Simple silly.

Fort Knox
Canadian Mint'll love this one.
When the EU was created, guess what big economy placed most of their gold physically in the US? Germany.

Guess whose gold has been replaced by paper? That's right. Germany's. But don't worry, ours is right with theirs in the hands of Chinese, Saudi, etc citizens. Whoops.

We have no gold, and the emperor has no clothes.

Guess what happens to gold and silver prices when you state you have xxxxxxx amount of gold in tons, and really you have close to 0, and only a modest percentage of clients are having it delivered to them? To the moon Alice.

Guess who also has ultra shorts on gold and silver. AIG did, but they screwed up, so it went to Bear stearns but they screwed up, so now it's JP Morgan's turn to go belly up.

ETF funds, ALL paper gold will be wiped out. Only PHYSICAL gold, and mining shares will be of ANY value, the rest will be defaulted on as the ones who issue them are bankrupted and closed.

What will a paper certificate (used to offset gold delivery of physical gold bought) to pay gold buy you if who issued it is bankrupt?

Well it can maybe let your current toilet roll last one use longer since you found a one time replacement. That's about it.

So on one side of the gold trade you'll have worthless paper defaulted on.

On the other side of the gold trade you'll have 5-10-100k oz of gold or more (given time and uncertainty since none of us have seen how fast things can collapse -when they collapse). Even if you think you are safe because you 'own gold', just make sure you actually POSSESS it in your house, or an independent vault. Otherwise you have NO GOLD SECURITY when having GOLD matters the MOST.

So we screwed over the world via London's orders to perpetuate their monetary system, using our federal reserve, controlled by them and other oligarchical European elites. (heritage of venetian banking system)

We were bombed via our friends, the British and Saudis, using our own 'tools'; Osama bin Laden, taliban, al-qeada to get us into a war for their imperialist reasons. One to bankrupt America, two fatten their bottom line via the opium/heroin trade, two part A via unleashing the scourge of heroin control is easier, three to get within striking distance to China as it emerges as a superpower- in the attempts to thwart or slow them down as the oligarch sees them as an emerging threat.

So they got us to go into Afghanistan, and later Iraq for the purpose of destroying us and taking the world down. Meanwhile they shifted the blame of any crash to us for the lay world citizen - 99 percent of us probably. Unbelievable.

Now since the US has been used as a proxy like this before (Vietnam) which pushed us off the gold standard, these wars would be used as a final blow as we were the only hurdle in their way (before china). Of course most people don't know we FOUGHT WITH Ho Chi Minh in WWII. He was our ally. Until we told the Japanese that together we imprisoned to be let go and retake indochina until the french could arrive.

Anonymous said...

Now instead of pulling out, giving Kurdistan (roughly half of afghan, half of pakistan), and either leaving the Uighurs alone or brokering some independence deal or something with China, we'd rather do England's bidding for them and allow their drug trade to continue. Amazing. We die. They profit.

Instead of that, we're doing all of this or helping to do it. wow

Then if you believe in LaRouche's death panels - not the way the right wing is talking about them - that they exist - that Obama simply is being duped by those implementing them - why - to pay for the bailouts of course and the coming crises...if you think in those death panels sound like such a stretch? Also consider this. If this passes now, and THEN the crisis hits, if we find out it is exactly how bad it sounds like it is, and the excrement has hit the fan, don't you think alot of Congress won't want to repeal it, because although they wouldn't of implemented it had they known, (speaking future tense) now that the crisis has happened they won't have the balls or ability to fund it thus the policy stays. That could be a REAL possibility.

Obama knows jack about economics, Obama knows jack about his own health care plan. His lunatic people are hiding it from him, telling him to tell the American people it's nonsense. When really Obama is just acting a fool. (It happens, but on something this big it's kind of hard to forget about)

He's got 2-3 years before I make up my mind for 2012 election.

Did you know.....1/6 of Britain's deaths last year were forced-involuntary-euthanasia via long term sedation and withdrawal of feeding/liquid tubes.

Globalization = imperialism
where each country is dependent on others to service it's needs, with someone always as the middleman...the SAME middleman

That middleman will keep saying, I need more, you have to provide less. Shut down your factories, ship jobs overseas, fight our wars, pay off our fraud, cut your services, and take the blame for the excrement. This is what they are telling us to do, to save their system (futile attempt).

This is what they are doing to us to protect their wealth as over theirs. But it's really just one big bet. I hope we call them out on it. Let the bet crash. Besides you think if the Rothschilds have 400+ trillion of the 1.5 quadrillion in derivatives throughout the world that surely they could lose that bet, and still have a few billion lying around somewhere right? So screw 'em.

Put it ALL together. The excrement is about to hit the fan. Obama, as you said, the buck stops here. I sure hope you know what to do when it hits. I'm starting to think you don't.

The sad thing is, this is just what we know or can connect the dots to. The depth to this story is undoubtedly greater.

When the truth is stranger than best written conspiracy theory, you know your up S creek without a paddle.

Who knew that 9/11-the economic collapse-health care reform were all linked. Not even Tom Clancy could write this stuff.

Still feel safe about your bank among many other things?

But I'll end on this note, because even though I know the excrement is about to hit the fan, I have to also see the good WITH bad.

At least all of our sports athletes are going to become poor again, thus they'll have to try harder - because they won't be pri-madonna millionaires anymore 'making it rain' - and they'll have to COMPETE like the good ol days, or so I hear about the 'way things were'.

So maybe out of all of this we get better sports action. Woo hoo.

Anonymous said...

sorry for the united stats of america. 'cause u're here to creat some trouble everywhere in the world & and we 're also there to stop ur fucking system of exploitation all over the world. more u keep going to exploited the world more we take act against u by vionently each second.

Anonymous said...

It's now official - there's been no actual shortage of Holocaust survivors:
'The Israeli Prime Minister's office recently put the number of "living Holocaust survivors" at nearly a million' (extract from The Holocaust Industry by Norman G. Finkelstein of the City University of New York, published by Verso, London and New York, 2000, p.83).
[Googling "holocaust survivor" supplies 1,710,000 items]
And see Wikipedia article: List of Holocaust survivors - quote:
"There are many famous Holocaust survivors who survived the Nazi genocides in Europe and went on to achievements of great fame and notability. Those listed here were, at the very least, residents of the parts of Europe occupied by the Axis powers during World War II who survived until the end of the Holocaust (and the war). The majority of these people survived incarceration in the Nazi concentration camps, but that is not strictly necessary for the purposes of this list..."

Statement by Richard Lynn, Professor Emeritus
University of Ulster, December 5, 2005:
"I've checked out the six volumes of Churchill's Second World War and the statement is quite correct - not a single mention of Nazi 'gas chambers,' a 'genocide' of the Jews, or of 'six million' Jewish victims of the war.
Eisenhower's Crusade in Europe is a book of 559 pages; Churchill's Second World War totals 4,448 pages; and De Gaulle's three-volume Mémoires de guerre is 2,054 pages.
In this mass of writing, which altogether totals 7,061 pages (not including the introductory parts), published from 1948 to 1959, one will find no mention either of Nazi 'gas chambers,' a 'genocide' of the Jews, or of 'six million' Jewish victims of the war."

Anonymous said...

Elie Wiesel vs Encyclopaedia Britannica

Wiesel has been one of the most prominent spokesman for the very sizeable group of people known as Holocaust survivors. [According to Norman Finkelstein of the City University of New York in his book The Holocaust Industry published in the year 2000, ‘The Israeli Prime Minister’s office recently put the number of "living Holocaust survivors" at nearly a million’ (p.83)]. Wiesel has chaired the US Holocaust Memorial Council and has been the recipient of a Congressional Gold Medal and Nobel Peace Prize...
Time Magazine, March 18 1985:

‘How had he survived two of the most notorious killing fields [Auschwitz and Buchenwald] of the century? "I will never know" he says. "I was always weak. I never ate. The slightest wind would turn me over. In Buchenwald they sent 10,000 to their deaths every day. I was always in the last hundred near the gate. They stopped. Why?"

Compare this with Encyclopaedia Britannica (1993), under ‘Buchenwald’:

"In World War II it held about 20,000 prisoners.. Although there were no gas chambers, hundreds perished monthly through disease, malnutrition, exhaustion, beatings and executions."

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